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My answer to “What is wrong with Bill Shorten”

To all Anti-Abbott and ‘supporters of Labor’ – Read below to find out what is wrong with Bill Shorten

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IF YOU WANT TO RETURN THE ABBOTT GOVERNMENT

ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING

 

IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE ABBOTT GOVERNMENT

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

 

If you want to get rid of Tony Abbott and his Government; stop volunteering your free services to the Liberals by complaining all over social media about Shorten, or that you are unhappy that Shorten doesn’t act like a bombastic loud mouthed idiot like Abbott, simply because you think that is what opposition is about.

or

Complaining that “Shorten is nothing like Gough or Keating.” No kidding sunshine. Shorten isn’t Gough or Keating; Shorten is Shorten.  Do you think Gough or Keating would want you to debase Labor so people vote for Liberals or some Independent or minor party who will side with Liberals in the event of a hung parliament and return Abbott to power?

 

Every Vote Counts

 

Every Vote

 

This means the person who was just convinced by your complaint about Shorten and Labor who has now decided to NOT vote for Labor – their vote

Remember, Clive Palmer won his seat by only 53 votes. Every vote counts.

 

What’s that? You have “voted Labor all your life but now see the Greens as the alternative”

The Greens jumping up and down and yelling about everything when they never have to Govern and never have to compromise, is reminiscent of Abbott in Opposition.

Voting Greens instead of Labor is like putting your faith in the receptionist to run the company.

If that sort of thing appeals to you, you may as well start by sticking a Tony Abbott corflute in your front yard.

Think before you vote.

This election is our most important election in our history.

Three more years of an Abbott Government will kill Australia as we know it

Only one of two parties will Govern  – Labor or Liberal – That is a fact and it is your choice

UNITE TO FIGHT ABBOTT AND VOTE 1 ALP

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About trishcorry

I love to discuss Australian Politics. My key areas of interest are Welfare, Disadvantage, emotions in the workplace, organisational behaviour, stigma, leadership, women, unionism. I am pro-worker and anti-conservativism/Liberalism. I am a proud member of the Australian Labor Party and you will find my blog posts written from a Laborist / Progressive Slant.

Discussion

25 thoughts on “My answer to “What is wrong with Bill Shorten”

  1. A great truth, we need to keep Abbott from gaining a second term at all costs, The ONLY alternative to that is a Labor government. Let’s get them elected and then argue over the details. This will be the most important election this country has ever had. DON”T LET ABBOTT WIN!!!!!

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    Posted by Brian Jones | July 4, 2015, 1:01 pm
  2. Well I don’t think there is anything wrong with Bill Shorten, in fact he is a very forceful and passionate speaker. The biggest problem Bill Shorten and Labor has is the Main Stream Media. He has never had the free run that they have given, and continue to give the idiot Abbott. Abbott fears him and so do the misfit MSM. I suspect most of the people who whinge about Bill are LNP trolls.

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    Posted by Laurie Keat | July 4, 2015, 1:27 pm
  3. Dont listen to the trolls, vote Bill Shorten and Labor,3 more years of Abbott will be the deathknell for this country.

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    Posted by brickbob | July 4, 2015, 2:34 pm
  4. I don’t know what people expect of an opposition leader. Is Tony the ideal? Bill was fairly elected as leader so back him.

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    Posted by Cath Wallace | July 4, 2015, 4:00 pm
    • Yes. I voted Albo as I am a member of the Left and I think Albo is great; however Albo also called for Unity in his concession speech. Many are also not taking that seriously or respecting Albo on that either.

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      Posted by trishcorry | July 4, 2015, 8:20 pm
  5. I have not and will not vote for any political party that endorse turning back boats, sending refugees into detention camps. supports fossil fuel mining, treats aboriginals as an inconvenience to further mining, endorses school chaplaincy, private school subsidies, plays at acting on climate change, endorses increasing defence machinery, walks in lock step with the USA (even though I admire Obama) and much more.

    I have not believed in a two party system for a long time now – because all we get is dumb and dumber. It will take longer for decision to be made, it will be messy – it will also better represent people. We need a diverse, multi-partisan array of people in government who are there for their constituents and not a ‘game of thrones’.

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    Posted by diannaart | July 4, 2015, 6:26 pm
    • On the last day in Parliament, Bill Shorten gave a speech clearly defining the difference between Labor and Liberal on Asylum Seekers – which is humane and transparent treatment. Labor has questioned time and time again AS policies, but the same as everyone else are met with “We will not discuss on water matters.” This makes it difficult for any party to understand what is going on under a veil of secrecy. To my knowledge two MP’s from the right are in support of turn backs. The National Conference is soon and I know a number of branches have put forth a policy to advocate for onshore processing. We do need to be patient and wait and see what comes out of conference. Labor is not in Govt; their policies are not fully in the public eye yet.

      Fossil Fuel mining cannot just be cancelled as Greens supporters would be happy about. Fossil Fuel mining is a major employer in particularly North and Central Queensland. Not supporting coal would devastate the QLD Economy with our employment at 6.3% and youth employment at 20% in some areas, this would have a massive impact on our employment and economy. What is needed is a balanced, integrated, holistic and Incremental approach to environmentally friendly fuels and renewables. The key word being incremental. Labor supports renewables and was the party who put forward an ETS – an Incremental, balanced approach to carbon reduction. However, the Greens pushed their usual all or nothing approach and insisted on destroying the ETS and insisting on a Carbon Tax. I think we can now well establish, Australia at that point in time was not ready for a Carbon Tax and it is because of the Green’s all or nothing approach and not understanding incremental change as a tool for change, that has basically delivered us into the hands of Abbott. I don’t support the Greens all or nothing approach which would see thousands and thousands out of work by pulling support from mining without thinking about the risks or implications. Labor and Unions are the only ones who have held mining companies to account to return fair wages and conditions to workers.

      I do not support a Multi-Party or Independent driven parliament. I believe in a strong party platform. Independents and minor parties are not the panacea to Australia’s political woes. An individual will only sit on a certain part of a spectrum. People will blindly vote for an Independent simply because they are not a part of the two party system. No one ever asks people to scrutinise the independent and their beliefs. There is just this weird myth that gets tossed about that ‘they will represent the people.’ I’m sorry, but an Independent cannot represent the wishes of Left, centre-left, right and extreme right views all at the same time. Their own values play into what they will and will not support. The risk of this approach is that there are more minor parties and Independents who would support Abbott if it come down to a hung parliament or voting in the senate. We have already seen that with some policies getting through with cross bench support, that Greens and Labor opposed.

      Take Leyonhelm for example – he thinks that employers should be able to negotiate a wage with workers and the minimum wage should be abolished. As a Libertarian, he would also support the privatisation of police, education, health and also roads. He would see taxes as Govt theft. This is not representative of my values and no way in hell would he ever represent my views. Minor parties and Independents are rarely questioned – just voted for out of protest. Too many of these types and the country would be stuffed. At least with Major Parties they campaign on a platform. People can easily become aware of the ideology that they stand for to a larger extent.

      Sorry for the long post, but you had a lot of issues in your comment 🙂

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      Posted by trishcorry | July 4, 2015, 8:48 pm
      • Trish

        A quick note to let you know I want do to full justice to your comments – it is an interesting topic, but am having a bit of a health flare up ATM so will get back to you later this week.

        Regards

        Dianna

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        Posted by diannaart | July 5, 2015, 12:03 pm
  6. Nope, sorry but my vote cannot be earned by simply being the other option to some greater evil. If it takes another term with Abbott to put the fire under Labor and effect something actually progressive to step in as opposition then I’ll wear it.

    Australian Labor Party you have to *earn* my vote. Drop your mirror-image game on Immigration and National Security (and our rapidly thinning forest of rights) and you will regain my vote. For now I will either vote Green or donkey. That is what democracy means- you don’t vote to keep the wrong bastard out, you vote to keep the right bastard in.

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    Posted by myrtlevilletempest | July 4, 2015, 7:15 pm
    • If you would support a vote for Abbott and return him to Govt, just to try to force Labor to be more progressive, it will be a losing battle and it would ultimately destroy the country. His intended changes are not minor and we should not regard them in a flippant sense. The LNP’s actions under the push from the IPA is to move Australia as far to the right as he possibly can. Once this becomes the status quo, it is extremely hard for progressives to move the shift back to the left in opposition. A progressive opposition cannot implement policy – they are in opposition. The only way to get progressive policy is to put in a progressive Govt and hold that Govt to account.

      I would encourage you to think about this a bit more, as it is not as black and white as it seems. Please search IPA in this blog as there are more articles on what I have just mentioned.

      The ALP certainly have not been a mirror image on National Security. If you take note and not just read the news articles, ALP have insisted on many changes to National Security policy to give their support in the Senate. There is also a game of wedge politics going on played by Abbott, as that is all he has – to create fear and try to wedge ALP on National Security. Labor will not have the same behavioural approach to national security and Asylum seekers as Abbott. There is a big different between policy outline and how you enact that policy through behaviour and actual procedure. Shorten has already given a speech clearly defining the difference between ALP and LNP which will be humane and transparent treatment. It is a pity the news don’t see this as news-worthy as it is a key difference.

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      Posted by trishcorry | July 4, 2015, 8:55 pm
  7. I understand all that Trish. But when it feels like Labor are following the lead of Abbott & co in areas like asylum seekers, data retention and others for instance, am I not justified in wondering whether to put them second and Greens first?
    (I’ve emailed my local (Labor) MP about various issues. She does reply, usually sincerely.)

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    Posted by myzania3350 | July 5, 2015, 3:41 pm
    • Labor will reveal their policies after National Conference. I believe they will remain tough on border security but use a more humanitarian approach and respect for civil liberties. They will define the difference such as Bill Shorten did recently on their stance with Asylum Seekers. Thanks for your comments.

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      Posted by trishcorry | July 5, 2015, 3:46 pm
  8. Labor, as I see it, has to walk a fine line in some policy areas. If they market themselves as radically different to the Liberals, they stand to lose some votes because Australians do not take to change lightly. As much as I would be delighted to see Adani either told no or that a reduction in the size of their coal mine MUST OCCUR, I am aware of the implications of shutting down the coal industry overnight, with regards to employment and numerous other factors. And you’re right, we need an incremental change, whereby, we have MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES and less reliance upon coal over time. Labor needs to be more humane on asylum seekers, by first of all rescinding the Border Force Act and ceasing offshore processing. TPVs MUST also be abolished. As much as I despise the Liberal Party, Mike Baird has a slightly more humane idea by allowing them to settle in regional and rural areas, but perhaps not forcibly. All in all, Labor must help to rid Australia of the abomination that is abbott and the Liberal party and walk a line between not alienating more progressive voters and not frightening off more conservative (no, not in the Liberal supporting sense) voters.

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    Posted by Mr Cool | July 5, 2015, 9:27 pm
  9. How refreshing it is to read some serious, thoughtful comments, rather than the usual simplistic, abusive and/or critical comments made with little insight. I agree with what has been said. I agonise about the MSM and its bias and unethical behaviour. Rupert Murdoch has far too much power and influence in Australia, with the result that the majority of people I feel, get a very one-sided biased view of important political issues. I have spoken to people who appear to be quite intelligent, but for instance, haven’t even heard of the TPP. People too, who continually say, ‘both Labor and Liberal are the same, they’re all terrible’. How do you break through that ignorant type of attitude? Bill Shorten has made some excellent, informative speeches,e.g., his budget reply. Murdoch media influence, ‘this was a terrible speech’, parroted by his minions, like Bolt etc., and then everybody starts to say the speech was terrible. It is imperative that the Coalition is not successful in gaining another term. We, Australia – just can’t afford to be inflicted with this type of vile politics for much longer. How to cut through Murdoch (I repeat this, because I feel he is the big danger along with IPA).?
    I read much on Twitter, many are progressives, but so many are expressing frustration and disappointment in Labor, and post of not voting for Labor. MetaData, citizenship, asylum seekers, and secrecy, all cause for angst, but Labor has to walk a very careful line as has been said above, or Abbott will annihilate again with his vicious way of attacking.

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    Posted by bensab3Rhona Eastment | July 7, 2015, 12:17 pm
  10. What a crap post. So we should just go from one crap leader to another? This is what’s wrong with this country. We just continue to accept mediocrity!

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    Posted by Le blogeur gai | July 10, 2015, 1:34 pm
  11. I want to see Bill ignore Abbott at functions instead of jollying up to him and laughing and sharing jokes. Abbott shows no respect for Bill, so Bill should reciprocate.
    The message that should go out to all voters is PUT LNP LAST as we did in Queensland. It worked to the ALP’s benefit. The only party we should attack is the LNP – that brings on boards preferences from others. Without those prefs the ALP will not form government !

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    Posted by David Simpson | July 12, 2015, 1:52 pm

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Trish Corry

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I love to discuss Australian Politics. My key areas of interest are Welfare, Disadvantage, emotions in the workplace, organisational behaviour, stigma, leadership, women, unionism. I am pro-worker and anti-conservativism/Liberalism. I am a proud member of the Australian Labor Party and you will find my blog posts written from a Laborist / Progressive Slant.

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