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Lies and Lies from the Greens. It is Time Labor Fought Back


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The Greens are like that sibling who tells Mum and Dad the half-truth to get you into trouble. Then they sit back and gloat at your punishment. Three days and three lies from the Greens, plastered all over social media. It’s time Labor started fighting back.

I am Sooooo Over This!

I am not sure about other Labor supporters, but I am sick and tired of opening social media and seeing wall to wall posts of Greens claims that Labor has done something so horrible.  Only to check out Hansard to see what really happened and the Green’s lies are far from the truth. Blatant and bold lies. Is integrity even a thing anymore?

Admins responsible for pages and groups, share these half truths with a carelessness that beggars belief.  It takes five minutes to check Hansard, maybe ten if you don’t know where to look. (Hint: Big rectangle window on the APH home page, Watch, Read and Listen).

I understand many people pride themselves on sharing political information online.  I am the same. However, unless we want to spiral into the dumbness of believing anything that is posted like we have seen with Trump, it is really important to check facts, before posting or reposting.

Fact: The Greens are a Political Party

Basically, the Greens central theme of their lies is that Labor hates people. The other main theme is that Liberal and Labor are both the same. They claim that Labor is so elitist that they have pure contempt for the most vulnerable in society. They try their hardest to paint Labor as closet Tories. The Green’s – wearers of the almighty cape.

The Greens must have been so enamoured with Albo’s speech about how the Liberals hate the Public, they have copied it (as usual) as their stick to stir the embers of Labor hate on social media.  Because you know, aspiring to be the party who has given the nation every single progressive reform in history, can only be emulated, as Labor already wears that crown.

The assumption that the Greens are just some do-gooders out there fighting the good fight and not a political party is a nonsensical point of view. The Greens are a political party.  Although Labor and Greens agree on many things, the Greens are an opposition party to Labor and their aim is to take as many seats off Labor as possible. They see Labor’s place – that is a party that is in a position to govern; as THEIR rightful place, without the 100 odd years of hard work.

It is time Labor fought back.

Three days and three lies.  Let’s talk about them below.

Lie Number 1: Labor Supports Welfare Drug Testing

The first lie in the last few days that had Social Media dripping with wall to wall hatred for Labor, was the claim by the Greens that Labor supports drug testing for welfare recipients.

Greens drugs motion

So, as we can see above, Labor had already discussed the Green’s motion with the Green’s and asked them to hold off until they had more information.  There are many reasons why Labor has done this, and only Labor Senator’s involved will know those reasons.  However, one reason could be that every other crossbencher so far supports drug testing, from what I have been able to ascertain.  This bill may be very hard to defeat.  Or they may be something in the bill (I can’t imagine what that would be) that Labor may agree with.  If Labor voted down a bill sight unseen, and they voted down something they agree with, then the Liberals could use this against Labor. To not even want to read a bill, like the Greens, is reckless. 

As Corbyn has taught us, never ever trust a Tory.

All other parties voted down this motion, not just Labor.  Notice how the Greens don’t mention that? They use half-truths (aka lies) to give the impression it is just Labor standing over there with the rotten conservatives. Why? Votes and Politics. That is why.

Labor may need to gather evidence from stakeholders to put forward a solid argument in the Senate to defeat the bill. The Senate is a house of scrutiny.  Stakeholder’s voices deserve to be heard. The Greens have disrespect for the purpose of that Chamber.

The Greens know that Labor’s position is to always, always find out all the facts, scrutinise bills and put bills through a proper process. That is what a party who is in the position to Govern does.  Knowing this is always Labor’s position on any bill, the Greens are playing a game. They are playing it well, and it is time Labor fought back.

Lie Number 2: Cashless Welfare

The second lie is the lie touted about by the Greens and also from Australia ProBono which makes the claim that,

“It is disappointing to see the Labor party and crossbench turn their back on people accessing the social safety net who will be dumped onto the card without consultation.

Greens Cashless welare2

Clearly, we can see from the official Labor response in the Senate above, that Labor is in the middle of consulting with many communities.  We can see a clear statement that Labor opposes a nationwide roll out. Once again, Ayes 9 (Greens) Noes 41 (Everyone else) but the Greens only target Labor.

Whilst I personally vehemently disagree with any use of cashless welfare, Labor’s traditional approach is to consult with communities.

I personally do not agree that enough consultation was done with Ceduna. Clearly, there is a very large backlash from the people in that community, which Labor should listen to.

We do not need cashless welfare in ANY form in Australia.  What we need is a welfare review led by Professor John Falzon, to identify solutions that give people respect and dignity.

However, this is yet another tactic by the Greens to leave the impression that Labor supports cashless welfare as a whole and a nationwide rollout which is not the truth.

The Greens use this tactic believing that people will vote for them if they paint Labor in a bad light.  In Queensland where Keith Pitt is trying to roll out Cashless Welfare in Hinkler (Bundaberg area), the Greens will only convince voters to vote for One Nation.  What do the Green’s care? It was their voting of the Senate reforms that has lumped us with One Nation in the first place. As long as Labor are the bad guys, right?

Lie Number 3: Tampon Tax

The third lie in as many days is the lie that Labor supports a tax on sanitary products for women.  The overdramatic headline from the Greens really goes to the heart of the vehemency and trickery to do their best to try to paint Labor and Liberals as exactly the same.

Tampon Tax 2

What Labor’s central argument is here, is that whilst they support the removal of tax on Sanitary products, Labor’s argument here is that they also do not agree with ripping GST from states without another measure to replace that GST. That is why Labor is working on proposals that are palatable to other states to support so that we can ACTUALLY see tax removed from sanitary products, and not at the expense of a loss of revenue to the states.  A loss of revenue from the states will only hurt vulnerable women in other ways.

In addition, this was just shoved into a debate about a bill that imposes GST on cheap items ordered online from overseas.  This is not a bill about removing GST from sanitary items for women. The Greens know online readers will believe that this was a debate about a bill to remove the GST on sanitary items.  The Greens know this, and they use this ploy very well.

I get so frustrated with the Green’s painting their lack of risk management as some faux empathy for vulnerable people.

GST is a matter for the states to agree on, and the Greens know this.  This is just another political ploy to paint Labor and Liberals as the same. The catch cry of One Nation. Why go to all this effort when James Ashby probably has templates they can use? You never know, he might even give them to them ‘at cost’.

Labor Needs to Fight Back

I am critical of Labor’s inability to use social media well and the Greens clearly are winning the social media political Olympics. Over-dramatic headlines and posts by the Greens and their supporters, steeped in lies and half-truths, gather momentum very quickly. These are followed by a wall of comments of hate from readers directed at Labor.  “Labor has lost me.” “I won’t forgive Labor for supporting this.” “I used to vote Labor, but now they are scum.” and so forth and so on.

Labor needs to use social media well and knock these lies from the Greens on the head very quickly, as they happen.  The damage is real.

If Labor is just sitting in the Senate, self-satisfied that they have done the right thing, using pragmatism and risk management and looking at the impact on all people, or by taking the time to collect evidence and consult with stakeholders, they need to really pop their head out once in a while.

The myth that social media does not have an impact on voting behaviour, is a very ignorant view to take. The Greens love Labor bashing and they are using social media to do this very well.

Labor needs to fight fire with fire and learn to use social media tools to make sure that the truth is heard to counter Greens lie after Greens lie.

Just like that unjust punishment from Mum, when siblings tell a half-truth to get you into trouble, the Greens are gloating whilst making damn sure that voters punish Labor just the same.

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About trishcorry

I love to discuss Australian Politics. My key areas of interest are Welfare, Disadvantage, emotions in the workplace, organisational behaviour, stigma, leadership, women, unionism. I am pro-worker and anti-conservativism/Liberalism. I am a proud member of the Australian Labor Party and you will find my blog posts written from a Laborist / Progressive Slant.

Discussion

38 thoughts on “Lies and Lies from the Greens. It is Time Labor Fought Back

  1. Marvelously done Trish,if I smoked I`d light up a big cigar

    I`m proud to say I`m blocked by 100`s of Greens on Twitter and will share your piece joyfully to day

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    Posted by Bighead1883 | June 20, 2017, 7:58 am
  2. Great comment thanks for your work, these parliamentary stunts by the greens are evidence they do not have the skill or the will to actually do the work needed to influence outcomes, perhaps Tony and X can give them some tips on stunts because that is the level they are at.

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    Posted by WeWantPaul | June 20, 2017, 8:37 am
  3. Trish, I love you dearly as a friend who has helped me in the past, that said I must caution against clashing with Greens voters. Many Greens voters like me are swinging voters who swing between The Greens and the ALP,. having spent many years as a member of the Qld ALP I know how the party works, and the domination of the party offices by the AWU and SDA both of whom are anti-member and anti-worker and Shorten gets this constantly thrown at him in the parliament.

    While I hate the tories, I understand that neither Labor or The Greens are the answer, merely the best of a bad bunch. Turnbull and his mates are trying hard to privatize Australia in every facet before the next election, one need only look at the NSW govt to see that they have reached their goal in that State and that has given them the arrogance to proceed nationally.. What we really need in Australia is a people’s party, which the ALP could be converted to but the AWU/SDA will never relinquish their internal positions to allow such a thing to occur.

    Low income households have been completely decimated and driven into poverty within Australia and we are badly in need of a champion to rescue us from life below the poverty line, which Shorten and Labor are NOT offering to do, as Whitlam once tried to do, what a GIANT he was, we desperately need a person of his ilk urgently again now.

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    Posted by townsvilleblog | June 20, 2017, 9:42 am
    • This is the same nonsense you write on AIMN,with your Greens trolls friends there

      Your logic is severely dyslexic

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      Posted by Bighead1883 | June 20, 2017, 10:03 am
    • The halcyon days of Whitlam are long gone. All Labour has done for many years is talk, obfuscate and facilitate the steady down slide of Australian manufacturing, our skills base, trades education and the environment. No Labour politician came near us in the years we fought coal seam gas in Gloucester. They remain absent and silent as we struggle against a huge coal mine on the edge of town. Labour talks but does nothing to oppose the Adani monstrosity in Queensland. State Labour govt. is pushing hard for it. Which party spawned Eddie Obeid and Ian McDonald?
      I was a proud Labour supporter once, probably before Trish was born. Labour represented the Australian worker then. I reckon the tender hands of todays Labour Politicians would recoil in shock from any tool more robust than a keyboard.
      The Greens are a mixed bunch and leave themselves open to frequent criticism but they do stick to their principles and they do turn up and stand on the line when the chips are down and Labour reps are as usual, nowhere in sight.

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      Posted by Brian Lewis | June 21, 2017, 12:31 am
  4. If the ALP didn’t spend so much time dissing the Greens, it might look like an opposition. I despair when the ALP and the Libs agree about the Greens, as they so often do. And I’m rarely impressed by anyone who agrees with the Libs. They are notoriously and consistently spot off. A bit of anti-Lib comity between ALP and Greens would do this country a big favour.

    This link well describes the calculated ALP stupidity that I’m so sick of:
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/economic-orthodoxy–its-a-greens-thing-20110405-1d2zv.html

    So don’t complain about misrepresenatation. No wonder the Greens chip back at you. I wish you’d both leave off each other and cooperate to unseat the plutocrat’s party.

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    Posted by Alan Luchetti | June 20, 2017, 2:03 pm
  5. The greens voted for double dissolution election after doing inner city preference swap deal with Liberal Party hack Michael Kroger who as we found out after election wasn’t authorised – WHO DO YOU TRUST?

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    Posted by gdayfm | June 20, 2017, 2:28 pm
  6. You know I thought that there was a glimmer of hope for some Greens pragmatism when De Natale took over from Mrs Grumpy but no, disappointment continues big time…

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    Posted by vfmarky | June 20, 2017, 2:35 pm
  7. Trish, thank you for an excellent and concise summary of the latest round of brazen dishonesty by the Australian Greens – those cutters of pensions; those protectors of tax cheats. Those selfless noddies who generously gave Talcolm his Double Dissolution so he could rig Senate voting, and in doing so, help re-animate the rotting corpse of #BoganTeamStupid, Wun Nayshun.

    The Australian Greens cannot be taken at their word. Time and again, Hansard tells an entirely different story from Scott “Liar” Ludlam’s Tweets and media releases.

    It’s a shame that too few people who think of themselves as progressive, often fall for the deliberate, willful deception perpetrated by the Australian Green. They now fulfill the same function as the DLP did, fifty years ago : Provide people who may be dismayed with Labor a soft way of voting for somebody else, which serves to keep the ALP out of power and thus only benefits the cheap labour conservatives.

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    Posted by Umberto Ledfooti | June 20, 2017, 6:20 pm
  8. All politicians lie and I do not trust any of them. Not, Labor, not Liberal and not The Greens.

    Here’s something that I finished reading 10 minutes ago. Some might be interested.

    https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/19/australian-politics-101-all-voters-are-idiots-and-other-pearls-of-wisdom-from-sam-dastayari/

    “He knows nothing and thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.” — George Bernard Shaw

    Cheers.

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    Posted by Harquebus | June 21, 2017, 12:15 am
  9. You know Trish, I have had some experiences around the polling booths with the Greens {all bad experiences mind you ] but the thing is I just can’t seem to find where their moral compass points. An article I was directed to on Independent Australiawritten by a rabid Green a while ago acknowledges the Greens give 25% of preferences to the LNP
    “The Greens’ probably somewhat larger ‘right leaning’ protest vote comprises people whose basic political position is somewhere to the right of Greens policy but who have voted for the Greens because of individual policies. Figures produced by ABC election analyst Anthony Green support this view. They reveal that between 20% and 25% of Greens votes have always allocated second preference to the Liberal Party. These voters might be (for example) conservative gay people who would like to be able to marry their partner or, in particular, ‘small-l-Liberals’ who can’t abide the cruel inhumane asylum seeker policies of their preferred party.”
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/lessons-for-the-greens-from-the-2013-federal-election,5736

    but at the same time as they are carrying on with their nonsense as you outline in your article and all the carry on on social Media Greens supporters still want to get in bed with Labor as this classic shows written only yesterday on Independent Media Network
    “”I am a mere modern day Greens voter who divorced herself from the Labor Party coz they no longer represented me and my circumstances”…… we aim to have with progressive policy platforms formed out of The ALLiance of the Greens and Labor”
    The Greens, the ones who spent one third of their State election budget in the seat of Grayndler trying to unseat Albanese and spent more there than they did in trying to defeat Turnbull,Abbott,Susan Ley,Scott Morrison and John Alexander COMBINED

    ALLiances my arse as far as I’m concerned and it just shows the Greens willing to prostitute themselves for a little bit of power and dare I say influence.

    {that should deserve a Bighead 1883 meme :-D}

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    Posted by Ned Hockey | June 21, 2017, 7:46 am
  10. How bout Labor stops supporting a criminal organisation like Adani? How about Labor stops supporting offshore detension? How about Labor supports a federal anti corruption watchdog and stopping political donation? Why not? – Cause u r rotten to the core filthy maggots.

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    Posted by Kieran | June 21, 2017, 9:17 am
  11. Trish I know the Greens are in total dissaray here in NSW, sacking their main organiser who is or has taken them off to FWA with support letters from all the staff, the ongoing Rhiannon/’Brown melodramas the- some see it as a split by Left Renewal and a whole bunch of other stuff but I have a 2015 article of the mob from your sunny state who seem to not have a clue.
    Trish, did you know you could technically join the Greens on monday attend a branch meeting on tuesday and come away as the endorsed Greens candidate and you could join the “Opportunity candidates”, some residing almost 2000kms from the seat they will stand in and all without a recognised Leader in QLD
    When I read this article I had to check it wasn’t April Fools day
    Mind you, this was 2015 and although they treated the electorate like mugs, have you noticed any improvement?
    “THE Queensland Greens will contest the state election campaign with no leader — and plan to run stooge candidates in some seats.”
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland-state-election-2015/queensland-greens-in-disarray-with-no-leader-plant-to-run-stooge-candidates/news-story/d9c4bc5102ca8794f4222818ac11ea68

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    Posted by Ned Hockey | June 21, 2017, 9:25 am
  12. What really happened? look at the yes and no votes on the Native Titles Act. Adani got to both LNP and Labor.

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    Posted by Mike Smith | June 21, 2017, 10:01 am
    • Native Title is not covered in this article. Here that sound? It’s you grabbing at straws.

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      Posted by trishcorry | June 21, 2017, 10:02 am
    • What happened to the indecent haste the Greens sold out on in the Senate changes for short term political gain and the joy of giving us One Nation and a cast of looney Independents in the Senate and then Professor Marcia Langton who the Greens worshipped for her powerful and peerless leadership of Aboriginal rights that is- until she made some bold statements on behalf of her people and the Greens knives came out immediately or selling out on education or Di Natale using what virtually was paid slave lavour with his Au Pairs or Hansons turnaround on detention or that idiot McKim who wants to Uber everything and bugger award wages and ,,, I better stop now but you do get the picture Mike

      http://www.minerals.org.au/file_upload/files/speeches/LANGTON_2017_MINING_INDUSTRY_LECTURE.pdf

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      Posted by Ned Hockey | June 21, 2017, 10:55 am
  13. as soon as you start shouting (or ranting), you have lost the argument

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    Posted by joachimmuller | June 21, 2017, 10:50 am
  14. Near substance-less apologetics. So Labor did do as Greens claim, but Greens forgot to mention the nonsense “waiting” rhetoric and lip service to maturity, balance and being measured. What’s there to wait for? Evidence the morally unacceptable is acceptable?

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    Posted by BR | June 21, 2017, 12:51 pm
    • Don’t you gey tired of “The Greens did it ” BUT” and then,,,,,
      The Greens have form on pulling dirty tricks and this a a classic expample of do as I do not as I say.
      The Greens are willing to jump into bed with ANYONE if it benefits them and then play the moral superiority card . as is the case when Wixxyleaks wrote
      “It would appear that a Labor laptop was stolen during the campaign by someone impersonating a Labor volunteer. That laptop then ended up in the hands of former Greens councillor and Greens endorsed State candidate Fraser Brindley.

      From there the login was used from the offices of the Age clearly supplied by Brindley or an associate.

      The information gathered from the crime was then illegally used in an article written in the Age to assist the Greens State campaign in the inner city.

      Four people were charged and in court admitted criminal behaviour and plead guilty over this matter, the Greens Fraser Brindley, and from Fairfax Royce Millar, Ben Schneiders and Nick McKenzie.”

      http://wixxyleaks.com/screaming-for-vengance-the-age-airs-its-dirty-laundry-and-political-bias/

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      Posted by Ned Hockey | June 21, 2017, 3:08 pm

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Trish Corry

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I love to discuss Australian Politics. My key areas of interest are Welfare, Disadvantage, emotions in the workplace, organisational behaviour, stigma, leadership, women, unionism. I am pro-worker and anti-conservativism/Liberalism. I am a proud member of the Australian Labor Party and you will find my blog posts written from a Laborist / Progressive Slant.

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